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A lot of internet web sites dealt recently with this event :

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I would like to understand who had the idea to organize such conference ?


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This conference has been published on CNN :

And announced in daily news :


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Transciption of the NPC conference :

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The following is the individual witness testimony distributed to those who attended the Briefing at the National Press Club on Monday. This is in the order of the presentations:

Summary by Major General (Ret) Wilfried De Brouwer

My name is Wilt ned De Brouwer. I am a retired Major General of the Belgian Air Force and I was Chief Operations in the Air Staff when an exceptional UFO wave took place over Belgium.
Indeed, during the evening of 29 November 1989, in a small area in Eastern Belgium, approximately 140 UFO sightings were reported. Hundreds of people saw a majestic triangular craft with a span of approximately 120 feet, powerful beaming spot lights, moving very slowly without making any significant noise but, in several cases, accelerating to very high speeds.

The following days and months, many more sightings would follow. The UFO wave would last rrore than one year during which a Belgian UFO organization conducted more than 650 investigations and recorded more than 400 hours of audio witness reports. On one occasion, a photograph revealed the triangular shape and four light beams of the object.

Belgium had no official focal point for reporting UFO observations. Nevertheless, in my function of Chief Operations, I was confronted with numerous questio9s about the origin and nature of these craft. In the first instance, and in consultation with other NATO partners, 1 could confirm that no flights of stealth aircraft or any other experimental aircraft look place in the airspace of Belgium. In addition, the Civil Aviation Authorities confirmed that no flight plans had been introduced. This implied that the reported object(s) committed an infraction against the existing aviation rules.

The Belgian Air Force tried to identify the alleged intruder(s) and, on three occasions, launched F 16 aircraft. On one occasion, two F 16 registered rapid changes in speed and altitude which were well outside of the performance envelope of existing aircraft. Nevertheless, the pilots could not establish visual contact and the investigation revealed that specific weather conditions may have caused electromagnetic interferences and false returns on the radar screens. The technical evidence was insufficient to conclude that abnormal air activities took place during that evening.

In short, the Belgian UFO wave was exceptional and the Air Force could not identify the nature, origin and intentions of the
reported phenomena.


Claude POllER Scientific Position Statement

Bonjour, I am Dr Claude POHER, retired astrophysicist and space research engineer from the National Center for Space Studies, the French equivalent of NASA. I was the founder of the GEPAN, the Group for the Study of Unidentified Aerospace Phenomena, which was an official agency devoted to the study of UFO observation reports, and which remains active today, under the name GEIPAN.

I first learned about the existence of official US UFO reports early in the sixties, from Dr J. Alien Hynek, the well known astronomical consultant to the US Air Force's Project Blue Book. I then began to investigate official French UFO reports, and to undertake scientific analyses of the data. I received approval from ONES to create and direct the GEPAN about 15 years later, in 1977.

I trained our first investigators, teaching them how to conduct official investigations into the different kinds of reports, from lights in the sky to landings with physical evidence and observations of occupants. We had an independent scientific steering committee. This committee recommended that we continue to pursue this work during the two years of my direction. For example, I trained our investigators on the case of CUSSAC, where, in August 1967, two young witnesses were alerted by the agitation of dozens of frightened farm animals at around noon. The witnesses then observed a landed spherical UFO at a distance of 80 yards, with four occupants near it.

Very high luminosity was reported after slow takeoff, leaving physiological effects on the witnesses eyes that were confirmed by the village mayor. The hiss noise described by the two witnesses was also heard by the hunting guard of the village. The UFO acceleration after vertical takeoff was estimated to be about a hundred g's by GEPAN experts. The occupants were seen floating in the air while entering the craft, from its top, in a hurry.

Physical traces on the ground from the craft were confirmed by the local police, as well as a sulfur oxide odor. CNES experts in meteorology and space debris worked in the field with the witnesses, along with a Juge, a psychologist, an optical engineer and aeronautical engineer. They had full measuring eqtipment and worked with the police as well.

The official conclusion of GEPAN in 1979, was that about 15% of cases remained unidentified after careful analysis by our experts. We concluded that the objects, in most of these cases, were compatibie with flying machines whose flight physics were foreign to the experts knowledge.

What I have stated is about the past. Now there are some recent xperimental facts, in direct relation to my GEPAN and UFO investigation involvement, that I believe are of great importance for our future, and for the way you should now handle UFO observations in the USA.

After I left the GEPAN but r9mained at CNES, I continued to work on the UFO subject in the domain of theoretical physics. Last April, the physical theory about gravitation and inertia I was working on since 1980, was successfully tested in the laboratory.

Effectively, I patented and tested devices able to reproduce, in the laboratory, the causes of the strange effects that are described in UFO observation reports. I am talking about such effects as tremendous accelerations, sharp turns, sudden stops, powerful emission of light, silent supersonic speed, etc

These experimental results are currently open to be demonstrated, in my laboratory in Toulouse, for qualified scientists, scientific journalists and industrial representatives, including those from the USA.

Thanks for your attention.


Jean-Charles DUBOC

My name is Jean-Charles DUBOC, and I am a retired Air France Captain.

During Air France Flight 3532 from Nice to London, on 28 January 1994, 1 observed, with my crew, a dayliqht UFO near Paris. We had few passengers on board and none of them had reported that observation to the crew.

The time was 1:00 P.M, and the visibility was excellent with some altocumulus clouds.

That object had been identified initially by a steward who was in the cockpit and by the copilot as a weather balloon, but when I identified it, it looked quite different.

In fact this UFO was in evolution and it looked like this (I shall then show a drawing), with a bank angle of 45°. It seemed to be a huge flying DISC. It stabilized and stopped moving (moving horizontally the draw.

We observed it over one minute on the LEFT on our plane, surprisingly totally stationary in the sky, and it disappeared progressively (turn of the drawing).

This large object was below us at the altitude of 35, 000 ft (we were at 39 000 if), at a distance of about 25 nautical miles.

The colour was RED BROWN with BLURRED outlines.

The apparent diameter of this object could be compared to the diameter of the moon, or the sun. That means that it was about 1000 feet wide.

We had no idea of the structure of the UFO that seemed to be embedded in a kind of magnetic or gravitational field, with no lights or visual metallic structure, which gave it a really FUZZY appearance.

The most incredible aspect is that it became transparent and disappeared in about 10 to 20 seconds. My co-pilot, chief steward and I quickly realized that what we were seeing did not resemble anything known to us, and we reported our sighting to Reims traffic control. Simultaneously, the radar of the Operational Centre of the Air Defence (the CODA), registered a one minute spot crossing the track of our plane. When I recorded the estimated position of the UFO on an aeronautical map I was surprised to realize that its position was near the base of Tavemy which hosts the headquarters of the French Strategic Air Command.

This sighting has been studied by the French military COMETA group under the direction of General Denis Letty and with the participation of several high ranking officers of the French Defence, as well as by GEPAN under the French National Space
Centre (CNES I.

The investigations determined this could not have been a weather balloon, and estimated the approximate length of the UFO to have been 800 feet.

This sighting remains unexplained.


Jean-Claude Ribes Position Statement

My name is Jean-Claude Ribes and I am an astronomer, working for the French Centre National de Ia Recherche Scientifique from 1963 to 1998. I contributed to the French COIvIETA report, a three year military study on UFOs and National Security released in 1999, and more recently to the book Phenomenes aerospatlaux non identifies, under the direction of Yves Sillard, chairman of the Steering Committee of GEIPAN. He asked me to represent him and GEIPAN here today. General Denis Lefty, chairman of the COMETA group, also asked me to represent him here, because he was unable to attend.

The COMETA report was written mainly by high ranking military people from the French High Studies Institute for National Defence. It analyzes the possible explanations for UFOs and their implications in terms of Defence, with the extraterrestrial hypothesis presented as the most logical one, even if not formally proven. Some recommendations are made, including that all managers of the Army, Police, Politics, and pilots be informed about UFOs; that detection systems be modified to take UFOs into account; and that the French government contact the United States and other allied countries to initiate cooperative action on the subject. So far, these recommendations have not been implemented.

However, last March, my country took a big step forward. Jacques Patenet, current director of GEIPAN, released the French UFO files to the public. They were posted on a website - more than 1,600 sightings spanning five decades. Some cases involved multiple sightings and physical evidence such as bum marks and radar trackings. Others documented UFOs with flight patterns or accelerations defying the laws of physics. M. Patenet told the press at the time that We do not have any proof at all that extra-terrestrials are behind the unexplained phenomena. Nor do we have any proof at all that they aren t.

GEIPAN's Steering Committee plays an important role, with representatives from the Army, Police, Civil Aviation, Meteorology and the scientific community. This Committee insures the best conditions for gathering reports by instructing the agencies involved in investigations, and by protecting any witnesses who request anonymity for fear of ridicule.

My personal opinion is that UFOs should be taken seriously and studied without prejudice. There may be several possible explanations, such as rare atmospheric phenomena, but some cases strongly suggest actual flying machines with characteristics well beyond our terrestrial capacities. If these cases could be completely proven as such, then the extraterrestrial hypothesis would probably be the most likely explanation for these advanced craft. Admittedly, it is a fantastic possibility, but not an irrational one, given the data that we have.


Parviz Jafari

Good morning Ladies and Gentlemen

My name is Parviz Jafari, and I am a retired General of Iranian Air Force.

At about 11 pm on the evening of 1 8th September, 1976, citizens were frightened by the circling of an unknown object over
Tehran, the Capital city of Iran, at a low altitude. It looked similar to a star, but bigger and brighter. They reported it to
the tower and it was seen by the tower man too. He alerted the Air Force command post and Deputy General Yousefi decided to scramble an F-4 jet to investigate.

The pilot in the first jet lcst instrumentation and communications when he got too close to the brilliant object, so
he headed back. About 10 minutes later, they scrambled a second jet, which I was piloting. At the time I was Squadron commander.
I approached the object, which was flashing with intense red, green, orange and blue light so bright that I was not able to
see its body. The sequence of flashes was extremely fast, like a strobe light. We locked on it with radar; it was at 30° left,
at a range of 25 miles. The size on the radar scope was comparable to that of a 707 tanker.

Four other objects with different shapes separated from the main one, at different times during this close encounter. Whenever they were close to me, my weapons were jammed and my radio communications were garbled. One of the objects headed toward me. I thought it was a missile. I tried to launch a heat seeking missile to it, but my missile panel went out. Another followed me when I was descending on the way back. One of the separated objects landed in an open area radiating a high bright light, in which the sands on the ground were visible.

We could hear emergency squash all the way, which was reported
by other airliners flying at the time and continuei for another couple of days. During my interview at H.Q, after the incident, an American colonel took notes, but after it was over I could not find him to talk with. Later, a once-classified document was released here in America through the Freedom of information Act. The Defense Intelligence Agency documented the event in great detail, and it was sent to NSA, The White House and the CIA. The DIA assessment said this case is a classic that meets all necessary conditions for a legitimate study of the UFO phenomenon.

I would be happy to answer questions and tell you more.


Rodrigo Bravo Garrido

Declaration For The Press Conference At The National Press Club In Wasihngton D.C., United States Of America

Since the beginning of Chilean history, there have been reports of unidentified phenomena, sometimes called UFOs, observed in our skies.

Over the years, we have increased our capacity to explain many of the sightings, but some continue to remain without a scientific or logical explanation. For that reason, in October of 1997, the Department of Civil Aeronautics, the Chilean equivalent of the American FAA, set up the Committee for the Study of Anomalous Aerial Phenomena, known as the CEFAA. This agency handles the best reports of unidentified aerial phenomena in cooperation with aeronautic specialists.

In 2000, the Aviation branch of the Army of Chile assigned me to research anomalous aerial phenomena, which they knew were real, and their affect on aerospace security. I then graduated to become a military pilot, and learned that the Aviation Amy had in its files many reports of UFO incidents from military pilots.
A link was then established between our Army office and the CEFAA, and as a result, nine official cases have been documented. This has helped to create awareness among The flight crews about UFOs, and they now cooperate with flight security to report any abnormal situation.

One of our most important civil aviation cases occurred in 1988, showing that unidentified flying objects can be a danger for air operations. A Boeing 737 pilot, on a final approach to the runway at The Tepual Airport in Puerto Montt City, suddenly encountered a large white light surrounded by green and red. The light was moving in the opposite direction of the airplane, coming straight at it. The pilot had to make a steep turn to the left in order to avoid a collision. The phenomenon was observed by the control tower personnel.

In 2000, the crew of a Chilean plane from the Aviation branch of
the Army, flying South of Santiago, observed a long cigar-shaped object, a brilliant gray. It flew parallei to the right side of the aircraft for two minutes and then disappeared at a very high speed. This object was detected by the radar of the Control Center of Santiago which notified the crew minutes before the incident.

Sadly, the UFO subject has been contaminated with false information, out of touch with reality, provided by unqualified people to the media. This has moved the issue away from a scientific and specialized study where it belongs. In light of that problem, we now make the call to all the countries that are
presently working on this issue in a serious and factual way, to unite their efforts. We would like this to include the United
States of America. This cooperative effort would help all of us counteract the potentially unsafe effects of UFOS on air
operations around the world.

New cases are being documented by pilots, traffic controllers, operations staff at the wor d's airports, and by many others with the proper training to determine if a flying object is something unusual. The true origin of these UFOs is unknown, yet they do affect aviation all around the planet, and this must be addressed.


Oscar Alfonso Santa Maria Huertas

I am Oscar Santa Maria Huertas, official pilot of the Peruvian Air Force, currently retired.

On April 11, 1980, at 7:15 in the morning, 1800 men were in formation at the Air Base of La Joya, Arequipa. They all
observed a stationary object in the sky which looked like a balloon, at about three miles distance, and approximately 1,800
feet altitude. It was luminous because it reflected the sun.

My unit commander ordered me to takeoff in my Sukoi -22 jet to shoot down the spherical object. It was in restricted airspace, without clearance, and we were concerned about espionage. I approached the object and strafed sixty-four 30mm shells at it.
Some projectiles went towards the ground, and others hit the object fully, but they had no effect at all. The projectiles didn t bounce off; probably they were absorbed. The cone-shaped wall of fire that I sent out would normally obliterate anything in its path.

The object then began to ascend, and move farther away from the base. When I was at about 36,000 ft., it made a sudden stop, forcing me to veer to the side since I was only 1500 feet away. I flew up higher to attack it from above, but just as I had locked on to the target and was ready to shoot, the object made a straight vertical climb evading the attack. Two more times I had the object on target, when the object was stationary. Each time, it moved away at the very last minute, when I was just about to fire, always eluding my attack.

I decided to climb at full thrust to get above the object, but it began to ascend almost parallel to my plane, and when I
reached 63,000 ft., it stopped. At this point, I came to within about 300 feet of the UFO. It was about 30 feet in diameter. It
was an enameled, cream-colored dome, with a wide, circular, metallic base. It had no engines, no exhausts, no windows, no wings or antennae. It lacked all the typical aircraft components, with no visible propulsion system. It was at that moment that 1 realized this it was not a spying device, but that it was a UFO, something totally unknown. I was almost out of fuel, so I couldn t attack or maneuver my plane, or make a high speed escape. I was afraid. I thought I might be finished. When I had calmed down, I radioed for another plane to come and have a look, trying to hide my fear. They said no, it's too high, just come back. I had to glide part way down due to lack of fuel, zigzagging to make my plane harder to hit, always with my eyes on the rearview mirrors hoping it wouldn t chase me. It didn't.

I had spent 22 minutes maneuvering with this object. After I landed, the object remained stationary in the sky for two hours, for everyone at the base to see.

A US Department of Defense document titled UFO Sighted in Peru described the incident, stating that the vehicle's origin
remains unknown.

It still gives me chills to think about it.

Oscar Alfonso Santa Maria Huertas

DNI: 40315515


Press Release: Peru And The Chulucanas Incident.

First Case Of A UFO Investigation Officially Disclosed.

I am Dr. Anthony Choy, ounding member of the Office of Investigations of Anomaluos Aereal Phenomena (OIFAA), and an investigor for this office. This agency was established by the
Peruvian Air Force in December, 2001.

I am the author of Project 33, the first integral study on the UFO phenomenon in Peru. I traveled all over my country for about three years, speaking with witnesses, obtaining audio-visual information such as photographs and videos, and collecting data for this study.

On October 13, 2001, in the northern city of Chulucanas, and before hundreds of people, eight spheres of light, of an intense
red-orange color, were recorded on video. We were the first ones to obtain this video and we gave it to the air force. These objects were suspended in the air for over five hours, moving in an apparently intelligent manner, and in absolute silence until they disappeared.

A few days later, on October 25th, the luminous tear-shaped object of some 25 meters diameter (approx. 80 feet), was recorded over the countryside near the city. Within a few minutes, the apparent landing of light spheres in the woods was also recorded.

In February of 2002, the Air Force's 01 FAA ordered me to investigate these sightings.

Taking responsibility for the so-called Chulucanas Incident, in February 2003 Peruvian Air Force Colonel Jose Raffo Moloche, Director of Aereal and Space Concerns, made an open statement to the media acknowledging that the Chulucanas Incident was the first official UFO investigation in Peru.

The preliminary conclusion was that the sightings, although being physically real, had no explanation. The case remains open, and the investigation continues independently

The climax occurred on August 6 of 2004 when, in collaboration with the American television channel of Univision, we were able to record for 55 minutes a distant object of unknown nature and origin, moving at great velocity in the sky, going up and down, and right and left.

I believe the Air Force in Peru has done the right thing by opening an office to conduct these investigations. The evidence we have from actual UFO cases and incidents that have taken place in our country show that the UFO phenomenon remains one of the greatest challenges to our current knowledge of science and technology.


Ray Bowyer

Good afternoon Ladies and Gentlemen and thank you for coming today. My name is Ray Bowyer and I fly a civilian airliner as Captain. I have been invited here due to my sighting last April of multiple as yet unidentified objects over the Channel Islands region of the English Channel. This encounter lasted for 15 minutes with the first object being visible from 55 miles distant.

On nearing the object a second identical shape appeared beyond the first. Both objects were of a flattened disk shape with a dark area to the right side. They were brilliant yellow with light emanating from them. I estimated them to be up to a mile across.

I found myself astounded but curious. But at 12 miles distant these objects were becoming uncomfortably large, and I was glad to descend and land the aircraft.

Many of my passengers saw the objects as did the pilot of another aircraft 25 miles further south. There is also possible radar information still being investigated.

A team headed by Dr. David Clarke looking at this case will shortly publish a report but I understand that at this time no definitive solution has been discovered to explain the sighting.

I have taken note of the differences between the British and U.S. reporting system. It appears that attitudes on opposite sides of the Atlantic Ocean are very different when it comes to the required reporting and recording of this type of event.

Air Law stipulates quite clearly that if an operating crew of an aircraft see another aircraft a place that it should not he, then at the earliest opportunity the whole scenario is to be reported to the relevant authority.

In my case the British Civil Aviation Authority knew within 20 minutes of the sighting what was seen, as described in the flight log faxed directly to the relevant CM office. The military were informed by Jersey Air Traffic Control at the same time. This is not an option; it is an obligation that crews react in this manner.

In my experience, having reported the incident as required has had no negative effect. And there was no problem with me talking about it on British television. Indeed, my company Aurigny Air Services have offered every support to date. The assistance of Jersey ATC in releasing recorded information to myself and the investigating team has been a great benefit. I did not feel that I was in any danger of being ridiculed, because all I did was report what actually happened, as was my duty.

I heard about the multiple witness sighting at Chicago O Hare Airport a year ago, on November 7, 2006. I was surprised to hear how this was handled. Despite many pilots and airport personnel witnessing the object hovering over the terminal, there was no investigation by the FAA. It appears that pressure may have been applied to crew members by their company not to scuss this incident.

These witnesses were afraid to talk about what they saw, due to concerns about job security. The FAA told the witnesses that what they saw was actually not what they saw but that it was simply weather,

I would have been shocked if I was told that the CAA would obstruct an investigation, or if the CAA told me that what I had seen was something entirely different. But it seems that pilots in America are used to this kind of thing, as far as I can tell.

I would urge all aircrew to report whatever they see as soon as possible, and to stand up and be counted. It is only when
crucial witnesses such as professional pilots make reports that the authorities will be kick-started into a broader
investigation of these phenomena.


Nick Pope Position Statement

My name is Nick Pope, formerly with the British Ministry of Defence.

Since 1950 the British Government has received over 10,000 UFO reports. Responsibility for this subject rests with the Ministry of Defense, whose remit is to look for evidence of any potential threat to the UK, or anything else of any defense significance.
From 1991 to 1994 I was the desk officer responsible for these investigations.

Most UFO sightings turned out to be misidentifications of things such as aircraft, satellites and meteors, but in around 5 per
cent of cases no explanation could be found. These cases include incidents where reliable witnesses such as police officers and pilots reported structured craft performing speeds and maneuvers significantly in excess of anything they had seen military jet aircraft perform. Other cases included in this category involved UFOs tracked on radar and incidents where photos or videos were produced and where the MoD's technical experts found no evidence of fakery.

The MoD takes no position on the nature of the UFO phenomenon but I and some of my colleagues were privately convinced that whatever was going on, there were important defense, national security and flight safety issues involved.

In March 1993 I investigated a case where a UFO was seen by about 60 witnesses, including military personnel at two air
force bases. Witnesses included a patrol of air force police, together with a meteorological officer with 8 years experience.
This latter witness described a triangular-shaped craft midway in size between a c-i 30 and a Boeing 747. He said that it was emitting a low frequency humming sound and he said it moved slowly at first, before accelerating away many times faster than a military jet. My Head of Division's brief to the As&stant Chief of the Air Staff concluded In summary, there would seem to be some evidence on this occasion that an unidentified object (or objects) of unknown origin was operating over the UK. The case file - published on the MoD website

- also mentions related enquiries from the US authorities, asking if the UK had a black programme that might explain some UFO sightings involving large triangular-shaped craft. That's interesting, given the US government's public position that UFOs are no longer investigated.

Britain's best known UFO sighting occurred in 1980 and involved USAF personnel from two military bases in the UK. There were multiple witnesses and an object was seen to land in a place called Rendlesham Forest. A Geiger counter was used to take radiation readings at the landing site and the assessment undertaken by the MoD's Defence Intelligence Staff stated that the levels recorded seemed significantly higher than the average background. We are fortunate to have two of the witnesses to these events here today and I should like to hand over to one of them now, so that he can give you the specifics.

Thank you.



James Penniston Statement

My name is James Penniston, United States Air Force Retired.

In 1980, I was assigned to the largest Tactical Fighter Wing in the Air Force, RAF Woodbridge in England. I was the senior security officer in charge of base security.

At that time I held a top-secret US and NATO security clearance and was responsible for the protection of war-making resources for that base.

Shortly after midnight on the 26th of December, 1980, Staff Sergeant Steffens briefed me that some lights were seen in Rendlesham Forest, just outside the base. He informed me that what ever it was didnt crash... it landed. I discounted what he said and reported to the control center back at the base that we had a possible downed aircraft. I then ordered Amn. Cabanzak, AIC Burroughs to respond with me.

When we arrived near the suspected crash site it quickly became apparent that we were not dealing with a plane crash or anything else we d ever responded to. There was a bright light emanating from an object on the forest floor. As we approached it on foot, a silhouetted triangular craft about 9 feet long by 6.5 feet high, came into view. The craft was fully intact sitting in a small clearing inside the woods.

As the three of us got closer to the craft we started experiencing problems with our radios. I then asked Cabansag to relay radio transmissions back to the control center. Burroughs and I proceeded towards the craft.

When we came up on the triangular shaped craft there were blue and yellow lights swirling around the exterior as though part of the surface and the air around us was electrically charged. We could feel it on our cloths, skin and hair. Nothing in my training prepared me for what we were witnessing.

After ten minutes without any apparent aggression, I determined the craft was non hostile to my team or to the base. Following security protocol, we completed a thorough on-site investigation, including a full physical examination of the craft. This included photographs, notebook entries, and radio relays through airman Cabansag to the control center as required. On one side of the craft were symbols that measured about 3 inches high and two and a half feet across.

These symbols were pictorial in design; the largest symbol was a triangle, which was centered in the middle of the others. These symbols were etched into the surface of the craft, which was warm to the touch and felt like metal.

The feeling I had during this encounter was no type of aircraft that I ve eve seen before.

After roughly 45 minutes the light from the craft began to intensify. Burroughs and I then took a defensive position away
from the craft as it lifted off the ground without any noise or air disturbance. It maneuvered through the trees and shot off at an unbelievable rate of speed. It was gone in the blink of an eye.

In my logbook, (that I have right here) 1 wrote, Speed: IMPOSSIBLE. Over 80 Air Force Personnel, all trained observers assigned to the 81st Security Police Squadron, witnessed the

The information acquired during the investigation was reported through military channels. The team and witnesses were told to treat the investigation as top secret and no further discussion was allowed.

The photos we retrieved from the base lab (two rolls of 35 mm) were apparently over exposed.


Statement By Charles I. Halt

My name is Charles I. Halt. I retired from the US Air Force in 1991 as a Colonel. I was a base commander at two large
installations and at the time of my retirement was Director, Inspections Directorate for the DOD 1G. In that position I had
inspection oversight of all military services and defense agencies.

In 1980 I was the Deputy Base Commander of RAF Bentwaters, the large twin base complex in East Anglia England. At the time this was the largest Tactical Fighter Wing in the Air Force.

In late December 1980 I was called upon to investigate a strange event that was distracting our Security Police from their
primary duties. Early on the morning of December 26, 1980 our police patrolmen discovered strange lights in the forest east of the back gate of RAE Woodbridge. Three patrolmen were dispatched into the forest to investigate. They reported discovering a strange triangular craft sitting on three legs. The craft was approximately 3 meters on a side. The craft had multiple lights. It rapidly maneuvered and quickly left the area.

I was not immediately aware of the details only being told of strange lights and assumed there was a reasonable explanation.

Two nights later the famIy Christmas party was interrupted by the on duty police commander. He told of strange events and claimed it was back. Since my boss had to present awards I was tasked to go out and investigate. I fully expected to find an explanation.

I took two senior Security Police, a Disaster Preparedness expert and the reporting On Duty Police Commander. At the site we found the three 1 1/2 indentations in the ground in a triangular pattern. [SHOW PLASTER CAST],

We discovered mild radiation, and evidence including broken branches. We suddenly observed a bright red/orange oval object with a black center. It reminded me of an eye and appeared as though blinking. It maneuvered horizontally through the trees with occasionally vertical movement. When approached it receded and silently broke into five white lights which quickly vanished. We moved out of the forest into a pasture and observed several objects with multiple lights in the Northern sky. They changed in shape from elliptical to round.

Several other objects were seen to the South. One approached at high speed and sent down a concentrated beam near our feet. Another object sent down beams into the weapons storage area. The whole time we had difficulty communicating with the base as all three radio frequencies kept breaking up. This activity continued for about an hour.

During this entire event I had my pocket recorder and taped the event as it unfolded. A copy of the tape was released without my knowledge. This is the original recorder and tape.

I have no idea what we saw but do know whatever we saw was under intelligent control.


John Callahan

What I am about to tell you now, is about an event that never happened.

I am John Callahan, and I was Division Chief of the Accidents, Evaluations and Investigations Division of the FAA in Washington, for 6 years during the 1980's.

in early January of 1987, 1 received a call from the Air Traffic quality Control Branch in FAA's Alaskan regional office, requesting guidance on what to tell the media personnel who were overflowing their office. The media was requesting information about the UFO that chased a Japanese 747 across the Alaskan sky for some 31 minutes at flight levels between 31000 and 35000 ft. on November 17, 1986. Somehow, the word had got out.

What UFO; when did this take place; why wasn't Washington Headquarters informed? I asked.

Hey, he replied, who believes in UFOs? I just need to know what to tell the media to get them out of here.

The answer to that question was easy: Tell them it's under investigation. Then, collect all the data - the voice tapes and
data disc for both the facility and the military. Send then overnight to the FAA Tech Center in Atlantic City, New Jersey.

Japan Air Lines flight 1628, a cargo jet with a pilot, co-pilot and one crew member, was just north of Anchorage, and it was about 11 pm when the pilot first reported the UFO. He described it as a huge ball with lights running around it. He said it was about 4 times bigger than a 747, and he saw it with his own eyes. So did the other two crew members.

Over the course of 31 minutes, the UFO jumped miles in a few seconds, changing places to different spots around the 747, in
one sweep of the radar scope.

After receiving the data from Alaska almost two months later, I briefed my boss Harvey Safer and the FAA Administrator Admiral Engen, and Safer and I went to the FAA Tech Center to observe the playback.

The FAA had developed a program capable of recreating the traffic on the controllers scope, or plan view display. I
instructed the FAA specialist to synchronize the voice tapes with the radar data so we could hear everything the controller
and pilot said. I video taped the radar display.

Later that day, I requested that the FAA automation specialists plot the radar targets along the route of flight and explain what each target was doing. I video taped the resuLting chart.

The print out and radar play back displayed primary targets in the vicinity of the 747. These target returns were displayed about the same time and place as the pilot advised viewing the UFO.

Both the radar and manual controller observed the primary target. The military controllers also viewed the primary target on their radar and identified it as a double primary. The pilot and crew viewed the target on their radar and were able to see
the huge UFO at the same time as it approached their aircraft.

If this craft had been a leer jet or military aircraft at the wrong attitude, that would have been clear. The FAA has procedures that cover tracking unidentified aircraft violating another's airspace - but it has no procedures for UFOs.

Back at FAA headquarters, I gave Administrator Engen a quick briefing and showed him the video. He set up a briefing with President Reagan's scientific staff, and told me my function was to give them a dog and pony show and hand this event off to them, since the FAA does not deal with UFO s.

I brought along a copy of the video and all the data print outs available at the time.

One of the scientists asked a number of questions, such as, what is the range of the radar, what is the frequency of the radar, what is the band width, what is the formula for the height
equipment, etc.

I was impressed with the response from the FAA experts. At the end, one of the three people from the CIA said, This event never happened; we were never here; we re confiscating all this data and you are all sworn to secrecy.

What do you think it was? I asked the CIA person.

A UFO and now they have over 30 minutes of radar to go over, he responded.

Well let's get a TWIX out and advise the American public that we were visited by a UFO, I suggested.

No way, if we were to tell the American public there are UFOs they would panic, ho informed me.

Some time after the briefing, the detailed FAA report which included extensive interviews with the pilot and crew, the chart prepared at the Tech Center; and facility voice tapes arrived at my office and were placed on a small table waiting for the CIA to request more data. The material stayed there until I retired 2 years later, and I ve had it ever since.

Most people including FAA controllers really aren t familiar with how the FAA radar system works and why all aircraft traveling through our airspace are not caught on radar or displayed on the controllers PVD. But I am.

The system and organization of the FAA is not configured to identify and track these types of performances.


Final Statement Fife Symington

In 1997 during my second term as Governor of Arizona, I saw something that defied logic and challenged my reality.

I witnessed a massive delta-shaped craft silently navigate over Squaw Peak, a mountain range in Phoenix, Arizona. It was truly breathtaking.

To my astonishment this apparition appeared, and it was a solid structure; this dramatically large, very distinctive leading edge with some enormous lights was traveling through the Arizona

I still don t know what it was. As a pilot and a former Air Force Officer, I can definitively say that this craft did not resemble any man made object I d ever seen. And it was certainly not high- altitude flares because flares don t fly in formation.

The incident was witnessed by hundreds, if not thousands of people in Arizona and my office was besieged with phone calls
from very concerned Arizonians.

The growing hysteria intensified when the story broke nationally. I decided to lighten the mood of the state by
calling a press conference where my chief of staff arrived in an alien costume. We managed to lessen the sense of panic but at the same time, upset many of my constituents.

I would now like to set the record straight. I never meant to ridicule anyone. My office jamake inquiries as to the origin of
the craft, but to this day, they remain unanswered.

Eventually the Air National Guard Force claimed responsibility stating that their pilots were dropping flares. This is
indicative of the attitude from official channels. We get explanations that fly in the face of the facts. Explanations
like weather balloons, swamp gas and military flares.

I was never happy with this silly explanation. There might very well have been military flares in the sky later that evening, but what I and hundreds of others saw had nothing to do with

I now know that I am not alone in witnessing something extraordinary. There are many high ranking military, aviation
and government officials who share my concerns; some of them have joined me here today. There is absolutely no doubt as to the veracity of what these men have told you. They have fought in wars, guarded top secret weapons arsenals and flown countless passengers thorough the world's skies.

Incidents like these are not going away. One year ago, Chicago's O'Hare airport experienced a UFO event that made national and international headlines. Pilots and many other airline employees observed a metallic disc hovering over the United Airlines terminal for several minutes. It then shot straight up and cut a hole in the clouds. The FAA did not investigate, dismissing the sighting as weather.

We want the US government to stop putting out stories that perpetuate the myth that ALL UFOs can be explained away in down-to-earth, conventional terms. Instead, our country needs to reopen its official investigation that it shut down in 1969. The US government can no longer shun an international dialogue about this, and we invite the government to work in cooperation with the countries represented at this table.

When it comes to events of this nature that are completely unsolved, we deserve more openness in government, especially our

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ANDERSON COOPER, CNN ANCHOR: We're going to report a lot about Kanye West's mom, about how she died, and about some of the hidden dangers of some of the kinds of surgery that she may have had.
Larry, we have been waiting for race for president to warm up, and now it has. Barack Obama, closing the gap, finally catches fire in a rock-star performance the country is talking about. It happened this weekend. We will tell you about it tonight.

And Hillary Clinton says, hey, turn up the heat. The question tonight, will either of them turn heat into votes?

Also tonight, as I said, we're digging deeper into the death of Donda West, Kanye West's mother, after surgery, apparently cosmetic surgery, here in Los Angeles. We're going to look at the kinds of procedures that millions of Americans undergo and what can go wrong with those procedures and what you need to know before going under the knife.

Also tonight, with new calls for the government to get involved, a 360 investigation into the possibility we're not alone. You will hear researchers, astronauts, even a former president of the United States, talk about what they saw, and hear from the UFO skeptics, too -- all the angles tonight.

We begin with our top story, the fireworks, Senators Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama acting like political heavyweights, as the Iowa caucuses get closer and the whole country focuses on whether she or he or someone else truly has what it takes to be president.

New polling on the Democratic side shows the race tightening. Saturday, at the Jefferson Jackson dinner in Des Moines, Democrats made their pitch.


SEN. BARACK OBAMA (D-IL), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: If we are really serious about winning this election, Democrats, then we can't live in fear of losing. This party, the party of Jefferson and Jackson, of Roosevelt and Kennedy has always made the biggest difference in the lives of the American people when we led not by polls, but by principle, a party that doesn't just offer change as a slogan, but real, meaningful change, change that America can believe in.

(END VIDEO CLIP) COOPER: It was a speech which electrified the room. Barack Obama, that bit about leading by polls, clearly a swipe at Bill Clinton and of course Hillary.

She actually spoke before Senator Obama, but took a preemptive shot at his theme of change.


SEN. HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON (D-NY), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: We have to have a Democratic president because we have big challenges to meet.

So, we are ready for change.


CLINTON: But you know what? Change -- change is just a word if you don't have the strength and experience to make it happen.



COOPER: Joining us now to talk about it, former presidential adviser David Gergen, along with CNN contributor and radio talk show host Roland Martin.

David, a columnist for "The Des Moines Register" said Obama's performance -- and I quote -- he said: "The passion he showed should help him close the gap on Hillary Clinton by tipping some undecided caucus-goers his way. His oratory was moving. And he successfully contrasted himself with the others, especially Clinton, without being snide or nasty about it."

Can one speech really be a turning point?

DAVID GERGEN, FORMER PRESIDENTIAL ADVISER: Not one speech alone, but this speech has changed the expectations and the sense -- the sense of how this race is going, Anderson.

But it's very important to see it in a context. You know, all year, we have had Hillary steadily opening a bigger and bigger lead against Barack Obama. And, then, in that debate a couple of weeks ago, she stumbled a little bit, didn't change the dynamics, but stumbled.

And there have been some other stumbles in her campaign. And, so, she seemed vulnerable. But the question people had was, oh, OK, she may be vulnerable, but does Barack Obama have what it takes to take it away from her? Does he have that fire in his belly? Does he have that passion? Because you have to get up every day saying, I want this and I'm going to take it away from her.

And, for the first time, Saturday night, people heard that passion. And there were 9,000 in that hall when -- when he spoke, many of them who will vote in the caucuses. And that's what got -- that's what has the political world buzzing now, because, combined with her stumbles and his suddenly turning on the engines, could make it a much more interesting race.

COOPER: Roland, I want to talk to you about that passion.

But, first, let's -- let's play another clip from the Obama speech. He took several jabs at Clinton without mentioning her by name.

Let's listen.


OBAMA: I am running for president because I am sick and tired of Democrats thinking that the only way to look tough on national security is by talking and acting and voting like George Bush Republicans.


OBAMA: When I -- when I am this party's nominee, my opponent will not be able to say that I voted for the war in Iraq or...


OBAMA: ... or that I gave George Bush the benefit of the doubt on Iran, or that I support Bush-Cheney policies of not talking to leaders that we don't like.


COOPER: Roland, to me, what he does so deftly in this speech -- and I read the whole transcript of it -- is that he sets himself in contrast to Hillary Clinton, and makes you believe that there is another way to govern.

Then, the next morning, on "Meet the Press," he seemed to have none of that fire. What is up with Barack Obama? I mean, can he carry forward from that speech?

ROLAND MARTIN, CNN CONTRIBUTOR: Well, first of all, we have to understand that they're two different settings.

In Iowa, he was speaking to some 9,000 people, 3,000 of his supporters. Yet, when he was on "Meet the Press," it was really a one-on-one conversation. "Meet the Press" is a dialogue with Tim Russert and also really that whole Washington group. And, so, on that kind of show, you really want somebody who's thoughtful, who is able to explain their issues.

He can't always be on fire. And I think one of the reasons why people are so surprised with what took place on Saturday is because the national stage that he's been on frankly has been the debates, and he has not done well in those debates, because it is not, in many ways, a way where he can really project himself. This event was different. He was on stage by himself, in his elements, feeding off the crowd. That's what matters. What he has to figure out is picking the moments.

I think what is going to be a real test again is going to be on Thursday, at the debate in Nevada, as to how he performs in that debate. Can he follow up what took place on Saturday with the upcoming debate? That's going to be critical.

COOPER: David, Senator Clinton is way ahead, of course, in national polls, but in Iowa, in New Hampshire, it's a different story. It's a lot closer race.

She also had some setbacks recently, her campaign admitting to planting questions at an event in Iowa, or at least one question. Is she really vulnerable? Is she really stumbling? Or is this just the latest narrative that the media is running with, and, next week, they're going to be on to something else?

GERGEN: Well, I thought that the media did overact to her debate performance. I thought, substantively, she was stronger than given credit for.

But, stylistically, she reverted to sort of the old Hillary, and she was more strident. And I thought that was a -- I thought that was a stumble. And then we had the -- her -- her husband, very surprisingly, seemingly seeming to stumble as he defended her.

And then her campaign had to come out and admit this, that they had some planted questions along the way. All of those things together, Anderson, were not, I think, threatening -- that threatening to her, unless Barack could catch on fire. And that's -- and that's what I think has been interesting, that the -- it's the -- it's the two together.

And I think Roland is right. A lot now depends on the CNN debate on Thursday night.

But let me just say this. What we have seen from Hillary Clinton is a woman who's been a little bit tentative. She is a fighter. She is -- she will not go quietly into this good night. And I think what you're going to see on Thursday, and I think what you're going to see in other situations, is the same thing that happened to Barack, is, you can let this thing slip away from you unless you come out -- unless you come out and show that kind of passion: I really want to be your president. I wake up every day thinking I should be your president.

People want that in their next leader.

COOPER: We're going to leave it there.

David Gergen...

MARTIN: And, Anderson, I think that...

COOPER: Sorry, Roland.

Very briefly, Roland. What?

MARTIN: Well, again, I think what -- what you're also going to see is, you're going to see Obama. He's going to have to keep the pressure.

And I think, also, David, he's feeding off of John Edwards. By having the two of them tag-team Clinton, that helps both of them, but I think it helps Obama more than it helps Edwards.

GERGEN: I agree with that.

COOPER: All right. We're going to leave it there.

David Gergen, Roland Martin, always good to have you. Thanks.

MARTIN: Thank you.

COOPER: Now to new details about the unexpected death of Donda West, the rap -- the mother of rapper and hip-hop mogul Kanye West.

It appears she may have died from complications of cosmetic surgery, and may have had a medical condition that made the procedure risky.

Here's what we know. Donda West was 58 years old. On Saturday night, 911 was called to her home after she had stopped breathing. She was taken to a nearby hospital in Southern California, where she was pronounced dead.

The coroner's office said it appeared that West may have died from surgical complications, but they didn't specify what kind of surgery she had had. We have conflicting reports from West's publicist, who first told CNN that West died after undergoing a cosmetic procedure, then later denied she had undergone surgery at all.

Now, the most startling new development today is this. A Beverly Hills plastic surgeon says that West consulted him about cosmetic surgery months ago, and he told her he would not perform the procedure until she passed a stress test for her heart and got full medical clearance. Here's why.


DR. ANDRE ABOOLIAN, PLASTIC SURGEON: She had a condition that was of concern, but, unfortunately, I can't tell you about it because of patient confidentiality.


COOPER: The surgeon says he last talked to West two weeks ago, and, as far as he knows, she never followed up with the medical tests that he recommended. He also said he doesn't know if she had cosmetic surgery elsewhere. An autopsy is expected to be conducted by Wednesday. Meantime, Kanye West, who was about to begin a U.K. tour, has rushed back to Los Angeles.


KANYE WEST, MUSICIAN: This is my mother.


COOPER (voice-over): Kanye West and his mother, Donda, their affection for each other was immense.

K. WEST: Oh, I want to say, mom, I love you, and thank you for having me.

D. WEST: It's a blessing that I got to be his mother.

COOPER: Their pride in each other obvious.

D. WEST: But I always believed in him.

COOPER: Unlike the troubled relationships of some young superstars -- Britney Spears and her mother, Lynne, Lindsay Lohan and her mother, Dina, Kanye and his mother thrived in each other's company.

Donda raised Kanye largely by herself and wrote about it in a book published last May. She described her parenting style as giving and receiving.

D. WEST: I think, because Kanye knew that I listened to him, then he really didn't have a big problem listening to me.

COOPER: Donda wasn't a typical stage mother. She had her own career as an English professor at Morris Brown College in Atlanta and, later, as chair of the English and Speech Department at Chicago State University.

KELLY ELLIS, PROFESSOR, CHICAGO STATE UNIVERSITY: Students would come back to me and talk about her class as being one of the high points of their college career. She was very passionate about African-American literature and about history.

COOPER: So, it came as a blow to her when Kanye dropped out of college.

D. WEST: Now, of course, I was disappointed, because here I am, an English professor, or an educator, and I have been for so many years. And, to me, to get at least one degree was just essential.

COOPER: Years later, after he achieved worldwide success, they could laugh about it.

D. WEST: We're all happy...


K. WEST: You know, I told you. I said, I had a college professor in my life my whole life, so what do I need school for? So...


COOPER: Donda left her academic career in 2004 to oversee her son's businesses and to run the Kanye West Foundation, dedicated to lowering high school dropout rates.

D. WEST: It feels like the most fulfilling thing I could ever do.

COOPER: Setting aside her own achievements, Donda wrote in the epilogue to her book, ""I'm as grateful for having had Kanye as I am for life itself."


COOPER: She was just 58 years old.

Now, we don't know yet what actually caused Donda West to die so unexpectedly. But we do know that, if she did indeed have cosmetic surgery recently, she is not alone. Nearly 11 million cosmetic procedures were performed in America last year, 7 percent more than in 2005. Nearly two million of those procedures involved surgery.

It's become so common, it raises the question, are many people going under the knife too casually?

With that, here's CNN's David Mattingly.


DAVID MATTINGLY, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): You can see it in Sharon Osbourne's face and Pamela Anderson's cleavage, medical science doing what no diet, no exercise, no makeup could ever hope to accomplish.

But not everyone emerges from plastic surgery ready for their closeup.

DR. RICHARD D'AMICO, PRESIDENT, AMERICAN SOCIETY OF PLASTIC SURGERY: This stuff has been mainstreamed. Hand because the media is buzzing with, you know, the afternoon face-lift, the weekend this, the quickie that, that the public needs to remember that this is still surgery, and it needs to be approached in a careful way.

MATTINGLY: D-lister Kathy Griffin claims she had life- threatening complications after failed liposuction in 1999.

"First Wives Club" Olivia Goldsmith died about a week after a surgery to remove loose skin from her chin. Experts cannot stress enough how important it is that your doctor asks a lot of questions. D'AMICO: There should be a physical examination and, very often, a checkup by the patient's doctor, their regular doctor, and appropriate lab tests based on the procedure that they're considering.

MATTINGLY (on camera): The chances of dying from cosmetic surgery is actually very low, fewer than one in 50,000, according to one study. And that's just for outpatient clinics.

But no procedure is risk-free. And, no matter how you slice it, surgery isn't pretty. Take a look at rock star Gene Simmons and his longtime live-in Shannon Tweed after his and her face-lifts on their reality show.

What happened was sometimes a little hard to watch. But, when all's healed and on the red carpet, people generally like what they see. A survey this year found 34 percent of women and 18 percent of men would consider a little nip here or a little tuck there.

Liposuction, eyelid surgery and breast reduction are in the top five choices for both women and men.

(voice-over): But try telling that to Kenny Rogers, who gambled on eye surgery that he says left him too tight around the eyelids, and actress Tara Reid, who says a bad breast enhancement cost her jobs.

But the risks don't stop some stars from going back for more, and more, and more.

David Mattingly, CNN, Atlanta.


COOPER: Well, we're digging deeper on this tonight, talking next with a top plastic surgeon, as well as a woman who lived through a Botox nightmare.

Also, these stories:


COOPER (voice-over): From Christopher Columbus, to Jimmy Carter, to astronauts with the right stuff, they all say they have seen UFOs. And there's new pressure on the government to investigate. Tonight, 360 investigates bringing believers and skeptics together.

Also tonight, he steps off a plane into a new American nightmare.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He told me, we -- you are not a suspect. We're -- we're just going to ask you some questions and we will let you catch the next plane.

COOPER: Wrongly suspected of terrorism, sent to a country that tortures.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He hit me like crazy.

COOPER: Now he's telling his story, demanding answers from the Bush White House. We're "Keeping Them Honest" -- only on 360 tonight.



COOPER: We're continuing with more on the death of Donda West, the mother and manager of rapper Kanye West. She died unexpectedly over the weekend, apparently from complications after surgery, possibly cosmetic surgery.

Joining me now is Dr. Seth Yellin, a plastic surgeon and director of the Emory Facial Center in Atlanta. Also with me is Irena Medavoy, a former model and actress, and now a blogger for "The Huffington Post." She says a Botox treatment she underwent in 2002 went terribly awry.

Appreciate both of you being with us.

Dr. Yellin, Donda West apparently died after undergoing cosmetic surgery. How common is that? We don't hear about it very much.

DR. SETH YELLIN, DIRECTOR, EMORY FACIAL CENTER: Well, Anderson, as you know, cosmetic surgery in general is very safe. However, it is surgery, and it has its risks.

Earlier on, you heard a gentleman quote a statistic of about one in 50,000 deaths from cosmetic surgery. However, you have to understand that not all surgical procedures are created equally. And the...

COOPER: What are the riskiest ones?

YELLIN: Well, I think that, when you're dealing with abdominal surgery, more than facial surgery, and more than breast surgery, you have an increased risk of things like clots from the legs forming and perhaps going to the lungs, causing pulmonary embolism.


COOPER: Are you talking about liposuction and -- and stomach stapling?

MATTINGLY: Yes, those sort -- not so much stomach stapling, but liposuction and abdominoplasty, where the muscles of the abdominal wall are tightened, those tend to lead to higher risks than things such as breast augmentation and facial surgery.

COOPER: Irena, you had complications after getting Botox. Had you been warned of any possible complications?

IRENA MEDAVOY, FORMER MODEL AND ACTRESS: I thought it was very safe. But, remember, I had a dermatologist that did neurological work on me. So, he was trying to fix my migraines. So, it was something that I never would have thought that I could have gotten ill, so ill, and lost, you know, so many hours and times in life over a silly thing like Botox. COOPER: Dr. Yellin, the plastic surgeon who -- or cosmetic surgeon -- who apparently Donda West saw several months ago for advice about a possible procedure put out a statement, saying that he told her that she needed to have a medical procedure.

I want to put his quote up on the screen. He says: "I always insist on a medical clearance for women over 40. And, in this instance, it was particularly important because of a condition she had that I felt," and then he goes on to say -- anyway, he goes on to say that he felt she was particularly vulnerable to this form of procedure.

Why would -- why would you need a medical clearance before?

YELLIN: Well, I think first of all, the public needs to recognize the fact that cosmetic surgery is surgery.

You're having anesthesia. There are risks that are common to all procedures, such as bleeding, infection and anesthesia complications. We really try to take the safe road. And it is very important to medically clear all of your patients prior to surgery. I would agree 100 percent with that surgeon's assessment.

I think that getting general medical clearance and cardiac clearance in particular in a patient with risks, such as Ms. West, is very important. And I would stress the -- the fact that all cosmetic surgeons who perform surgery to the standards that you and I would expect in an American-trained surgeon would do the same thing.

COOPER: Irena, do you think people do this too -- too quickly? I mean, you -- we see young girls now going in for -- for cosmetic surgery. What advice do you have for people out there who are thinking about going under the knife?

MEDAVOY: That fashion is not medicine. It isn't surgery, that, you know, it's all elective.

If you really want to do it, and it's something that you think is going to change your life, I just -- I just know I'm never going to do anything again. I haven't for five-and-a-half years. I think my life is -- you know, is worth being with my son and having a life with my husband, than trying to capture every single second of being perfection.

There is nothing that is truly perfection, I think, and that surgeons sometimes -- and I don't -- not this surgeon, or not making a blanket statement -- but, I believe, sometimes, there's greed involved, where you have -- you get stuck into, I need to have this done because everyone around me is doing it.

My dentist, the other day, was fixing a cavity. He took my lip up and he said, oh, my God, I haven't felt a natural lip in a month.

COOPER: Wow. That's incredible.

MEDAVOY: Yes. COOPER: Dr. Yellin, your -- your advice. I mean, I see people in the malls going in for things which I'm -- I sort of wonder, should people be doing this kind of stuff in a mall?

YELLIN: Absolutely not.

You know, it is -- it is important to sort of reinforce that cosmetic surgery does more than just make someone look a little bit younger. For many people, it's an important aspect of their profession to allow them to maintain their competitive edge, to have the self-confidence in themselves to be the best that they can be.

And I can tell you that most surgical procedures, most cosmetic interventions are extremely safe. And, when performed by properly trained and board-certified surgeons, you have to understand that the risks are really inherently very small.

The fact that this story about Ms. West is news speaks to the rarity of the complication. And the fact is that patients should not be scared or frightened of visiting with their cosmetic surgeons, discussing openly their medical conditions, as well as their cosmetic issues...

COOPER: Right.

YELLIN: ... and coming to a mutually agreeable solution.

I really don't want this story to scare people unnecessarily. I want them to recognize that it is surgery, that there are inherent risks, that proper medical procedures must be followed. But, done properly...

COOPER: And...

YELLIN: ... these procedures are extremely safe.

COOPER: And the key is to go to a reputable surgeon in all things, as in all matters.

YELLIN: Without -- without question.

COOPER: Dr. Yellin, appreciate your time. Thank you.

YELLIN: Pleasure.

COOPER: And, Irena Medavoy, thanks for -- so much for being on and talking about your experiences. I appreciate it.

YELLIN: Thank you, Anderson.

COOPER: Up next tonight on 360: They say they saw UFOs, true believers gathering in Washington, D.C. And, if you think this is a convention of oddballs, well, you better think again. So, are they telling the truth? What did they really see? We will let you decide next.


COOPER: Well, in the latest Democratic debate, presidential candidate Dennis Kucinich said he had seen one. So has Jimmy Carter. So did a pilot who traveled from Iran to Washington so he could speak out today about his encounter with a UFO.

Now, unidentified flying object means just that, unidentified. It says nothing about what or from where. But, for years now, polling has shown that a majority of Americans believe the government, our government, simply isn't telling all it knows about those lights in the sky, whatever they are.

Well, tonight, CNN's Gary Tuchman investigates.


GARY TUCHMAN, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): If you flew on Air France from Nice to London on January 28, 1994, your captain says he saw a UFO 1,000 feet long just outside your window.

JEAN-CHARLES DUBOC, RETIRED AIR FRANCE CAPTAIN: It seemed to be a huge flying disk.

TUCHMAN: The now retired pilot is one of 14 men, mainly former government and military officials, from seven different countries talking about their UFO experiences.

DUBOC: It disappeared in about 10 to 20 seconds.

TUCHMAN: This conference took place in Washington, and the cast of characters was almost strangely, well, conventional. One of the believers, former Governor of Arizona Fife Symington.

FIFE SYMINGTON, FORMER ARIZONA GOVERNOR: I saw something that defied logic and challenged my reality.

TUCHMAN: During a visit to Phoenix, Symington described to me what he saw.

SYMINGTON: If you -- if you had been here 10 years ago, and standing up out here and looking up there at the lights and the view, you would have been astounded. You would have been amazed.

TUCHMAN: The so-called Phoenix lights were seen by many people in 1997. Skeptics say they were military aircraft or flares, but not the former governor.

SYMINGTON: It was probably some sort of an alien spacecraft.

TUCHMAN: Lots of agreement on this panel -- this retired Iranian air force pilot said he saw a UFO while flying.

GENERAL PARVIZ JAFARI, FORMER IRANIAN AIR FORCE PILOT: It looked similar to a star, but bigger and brighter.

TUCHMAN: General Parviz Jafari says he tried to fire a missile, but much of his plane became inoperative.

JAFARI: All the instrument was fluctuating. The radio had garbled. Even, I couldn't have communication with my pilot in my back seat, who was operating the radar.

TUCHMAN (on camera): So, your -- so, none of your equipment worked. Your missiles didn't work. Do you think it's because this was an alien from another world?

JAFARI: Oh, yes. Yes.

TUCHMAN: You're sure of that?

JAFARI: Yes, I'm sure.

TUCHMAN (voice-over): This retired U.S. Air Force sergeant stationed in England said he walked up to a UFO that landed in a forest.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It maneuvered through the trees and shot off at an unbelievable rate of speed.

TUCHMAN: A man running for president just said he saw a UFO.

REP. DENNIS KUCINICH (D-OH), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I did. And the rest of the account -- it was an unidentified flying object.

TUCHMAN: And so did a man who was president.

JIMMY CARTER, FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I and about 25 others saw something in the air that changed colors and was round.

TUCHMAN: Although Jimmy Carter says he doesn't think it was another planet, most of these people differ on that point and want the FAA to investigate all these claims.

But the FAA says that's not its job. "We manage the aircraft that we're talking to. UFOs are called UFO's because they're unidentified and we're not talking to them."

And it's because no one's talking that everybody here is trying harder to make them believe.

Gary Tuchman, CNN, Washington.


COOPER: Well, we're going to talk about the man who organized the conference, coming up next. He also made a film about 50 years of what he calls official contradictions and denials.

We'll also hear from a noted astronomer and UFO skeptic -- skeptic. We'll be right back.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK) COOPER: We don't take sides on 360. We like to present you with the facts and information from different angles and let you make up your own minds about things.

That's particularly true with mysteries. And for most Americans, there's no mystery greater than UFO's.

James Fox helped organize today's UFO-related event in Washington. The directed the film "Out of the Blue." He joins me now, along with astronomer, former Air Force pilot and skeptic James McGaha.

Thank you for being with us, both of you.

Let me start off with you, James Fox. You helped to organize the panel. Why? What are you hoping to accomplish?

JAMES FOX, DIRECTOR, "OUT OF THE BLUE": I want to establish the fact that the phenomenon is real and it's taking place worldwide. And the reason why we got a panel of 14 high-ranking military and government officials from seven countries, who these guys officially investigated these cases for their governments and militaries.

So it's not private investigators. These are official military and government people.

COOPER: But James Fox, to those who say, "Look, there's no actual evidence. I mean, there's no recovered spacecraft. There's no actual evidence," what do you say?

FOX: I would say, well, we have photographic, radar confirmation, visual confirmation, land trace cases. There are imprints in the ground where these things reportedly landed. You know, and these government and military officials are telling us these things are real. I think we should listen.

COOPER: James McGaha I know you're skeptical. Why?

JAMES MCGAHA, ASTRONOMER: Well, UFO's are basically a modern space-age mythology. It's a conspiracy wrapped in superstition and myth and magic.

People see lights in the sky, and somehow they equate those lights in the sky to spacecraft from another world. It's really wish fulfillment. It's almost a fairy tale among many people to believe that somehow either doom or salvation is coming from the sky. This is a very old concept in human thinking.

But I should say, when we talk about pilots, there's this incredible misidentification idea about pilots being trained observers. Pilots are not trained observers; they're trained to fly airplanes. They are some of the worst people at identifying objects in the sky that aren't other airplanes. They're trained to react quickly in an airplane, which very often makes them to react to wrong stimuli.

COOPER: James Fox, what about that?

FOX: Let me say something. With regard -- although I do respect your opinion on this, you keep misleading the public when you say that these are ambiguous distant lights off at a distance. These are not.

These are unambiguous, up close and personal cases where, in one case in Bentwater in 1980, they actually touched the UFO on the ground. And this was witnessed by 80 people on the ground.

MCGAHA: I am quite skeptical that anyone touched anything at Bentwater's. It wasn't Bentwater's. It was actually Port Ridge (ph).

FOX: With all due respect, sir, I don't think you were there.

COOPER: James McGaha, why shouldn't there be more investigation? Why shouldn't -- what this panel is calling for, essentially, is some sort of government investigation of it. Why shouldn't there be further investigation?

FOX: Well, there have been investigations...

MCGAHA: Well, what...

FOX: Hang on a second. Let me just state this clearly. One of the things that...

MCGAHA: What are we going to...

FOX: You keep interrupting me sir, please. One of the things I want to mention very quickly is that the official position from the Air Force is that they terminated Project Blue Book in 1969, and there have been no official investigations since then.

However, we found evidence that suggests the contrary on a number of cases. In Tehran, the general said the Americans were making discreet inquiries about the case -- excuse me, there as well as Bentwater's, England. The colonel said that the OSI came in and investigated that.

COOPER: So you believe there is government investigation going on? You just want it more public?

FOX: They're making discreet inquiries, unofficially, yes.

COOPER: James McGaha, final thoughts?

MCGAHA: Yes. Yes, they are making discreet inquiries about strange things that happen, not about UFOs or alien spacecraft. That's not going on at all.

FOX: They are responsible for the security and the deployment of nuclear weapons. If you think they're out there hallucinating, why do they all get promoted?

MCGAHA: Well...

COOPER: We're going to have to leave it there.

MCGAHA: I could actually tell you what happened that night. It's -- it's very prosaic crossing; lights in the sky and that's all.

FOX: It's not lights in the sky, sir, thank you.

COOPER: No doubt a debate we're not going to settle tonight, but we do appreciate you guys talking about it. James Fox, James McGaha, thank you.

FOX: Thanks for having us on.

COOPER: There are no skeptics over this next story. As we celebrate Veterans Day today, we give thanks to the men and women who've served in uniform. Of course, veterans are also voters, and you believe the presidential contenders are not forgetting that, as well. Tom Foreman has that and more on tonight's "Raw Politics" -- Tom.


TOM FOREMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: More than 25 million Americans are military veterans and some veterans groups estimate that they and their families represent 1/3 of American voters. No wonder plans for helping them out are dominating "Raw Politics" right now.

(on camera) Out on the campaign trail, Democratic presidential candidate John Edwards is proposing a $400 million program to help vets with post-traumatic stress disorder. It is a serious problem that is growing fast.

But not to be outdone, Republican Mitt Romney wants to boost education benefits for veterans. He wants to ensure inexpensive college tuition for their children and get more technological support for troops still on the battlefield.

One of the more famous veterans, Republican contender John McCain, is hoping to boost his war chest with a $3 million loan. His campaign nearly collapsed a while back, and he's regained his footing but trails in fundraising.

Now that said, he's telling some of his backers who launched placed ads on his behalf to knock it off. He says such soft money help violates the principles of campaign finance reform that he has fought for.

And talk about wrapping yourself in the flag. Hillary Clinton was nearly KO'd when an array of flag poles started collapsing around her over the weekend, and now she's being rapped by her opponents, over news that her campaign planted a softball question about global warming with a college student.

SEN. HILLARY CLINTON (D-NY), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: It's usually young people who ask me about global warming.

FOREMAN (on camera): The Hill says she did not know the question was planted and it won't happen again. But her rivals are just loving it, saying this is the kind of trick they expect from the current president, not the next one -- Anderson.


COOPER: All right. Tom, thanks.

The story the government -- next -- doesn't want you to see. A husband and a father on his way home to his family ends up in hell. The U.S. government said he was a terrorist and sent him to Syria, where he says he was tortured. Turns out they were wrong. How could it happen? We're Keeping Them Honest, next.


COOPER: This next story is one the government didn't want you to know about, probably because it shows just how terribly wrong the so- called war on terror went five years ago.

Details about what happened to a Canadian software engineer in the fall of 2002 are just now coming to light, and it is a terrifying tale that says a lot about our country today.

"Keeping Them Honest", here's CNN's Jason Carroll.


JASON CARROLL, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): We now know Washington wanted to keep this story a secret.

It was 2002 at JFK Airport in New York, almost exactly one year after the terrorist attack of 9/11. A husband is flying home on American Airlines Flight 65. He has a layover here to change planes, and then suddenly, he simply disappears. He never gets home to Canada.

MONIA MAZIGH, WIFE OF MANER ARAR: He told me, I'll call you as soon as I arrive in Montreal.

CARROLL: Her husband, Maner Arar, was stopped at JFK. U.S. customs agents told him something he didn't know, tat he was on the U.S. terror watch list.

MANER ARAR, DEPORTED TO SYRIA: They told me, you are not a suspect. We're just going to ask you some questions and we'll let you catch the next plane. But this did not happen.

CARROLL: No one said why, he says, but Arar was arrested and soon moved to this detention center in New York. Hours would pass, then a day, then longer. He was allowed no calls.

Arar's wife was in a panic. She called the airlines, the Canadian embassy. No one could tell her anything. It was as if he'd vanished.

MAZIGH: I was just left waiting and that wait, wait, wait without nothing.

CARROLL: In New York, a federal INS agent told Arar they suspected he was affiliated with al Qaeda, a charge Arar vehemently denied. The agent said they were flying him to Syria. Arar was stunned. He had left there 16 years ago to become a Canadian citizen.

ARAR: I protested. I said, "If you send me back to Syria, I'll be tortured."

CARROLL: In fact the U.S. State Department's own literature says torture is most likely to occur under questioning in Syria.

(on camera) And what did they say in response to that?

ARAR: Well, they just didn't care.

CARROLL (voice-over): Finally six days after being taken into U.S. custody, Arar says he was allowed to call. His wife is relieved to hear from him and then horrified.

MAZIGH: He said, "I'm in New York. I'm in Brooklyn, in federal prison bureau, something like that. And I need a lawyer. I might be deported to Syria."

CARROLL: Arar begged the INS agent not to send him.

ARAR: For me, it was very clear that the message is, "We don't care. That's why we are sending you to Syria. We're sending you there to be tortured.

CARROLL (on camera): I'm just wondering psychologically what that must have been like for you at that point.

ARAR: I lost hope. I was disoriented. I just wanted a miracle to happen.

CARROLL: October 8, 12 days after being held in U.S. custody, Arar is flown to Jordan, then Syria.

ARAR: During the entire trip, frankly, I was constantly thinking about, "Once I am in Syria, how can I avoid torture?" That was all I was thinking about.


COOPER: Just ahead we'll tell you what he faced when he finally reached Syria.

Plus, why the U.S. Coast Guard is now -- is under fire in the wake of a massive oil spill. Next on 360.


COOPER: Before the break we told you the terrifying story about a Canadian software engineer who was arrested in New York's Kennedy Airport in 2002. He was told he was on the U.S. terror watch list, and 12 days later he was deported to Syria, his homeland, which he'd left years before and where he knew that torture awaited him.

This is a story the U.S. government did not want you to know about. "Keeping Them Honest," once again, here's CNN's Jason Carroll.


CARROLL (voice-over): Maner Arar, an engineer, husband and father, accused by U.S. officials of being affiliated with al Qaeda, now in a Syrian prison awaiting interrogation.

ARAR: I just wanted to end my life.

CARROLL (on camera): So you look around in this room for anything at all...

ARAR: Anything.

CARROLL: ... to kill yourself with?

ARAR: I would rather die than, you know, face torture.

CARROLL (voice-over): Day one, he says there were threats; day two the beatings began.

ARAR: He asked me, "Do you know what this is?"

I said, "Yes, it's a cable." And he hit me like crazy. It was so painful to the point where I forgot every enjoyable moment of my life.

CARROLL: Interrogators accused Arar of training at a terrorist camp in Afghanistan. When he denied it, denied any question at all, they beat him more.

ARAR: They kept telling me all the time that I was lying to them.

CARROLL: Then he says they threatened electric shock.

ARAR: Just to hear the screams of people being tortured, you would say to yourself, "I'm going to tell them whatever they want me to say."

CARROLL: Back home, Arar's wife worked with Canadian officials, hoping to find him, hoping to get him released.

MAZIGH: My daughter was all the time asking me when is Dad coming. And I said, you know, he will come soon.

CARROLL: Nearly a year would pass before this would end. Arar remembered one especially violent session.

ARAR: Because of fear, I could not control my muscles and my nerves anymore. So imagine the clothes that I urinated in. I kept them on. I kept them on for like two months, and that alone was like very humiliating. CARROLL: And while his family had no idea where he was, his pain was made even worse, because he had no idea if anything had also happened to them.

ARAR: That alone was -- was torture in its own, not knowing. See, I got all these -- all those scary thoughts in my mind: are my kids being kidnapped like me? Is my wife being kidnapped?

CARROLL: Arar says the interrogators broke his will. He finally signed a confession that he'd received terrorist training in Afghanistan, a country he says he has never been to. And that same day, he was released and sent back to Canada, 10 months and 10 days since he had landed in New York since he had last seen his family.

ARAR: Frankly, given what I had gone through, I didn't expect that I would ever be reunited with my family again.

MAZIGH: I felt that this was another person, not the person that I married.

CARROLL: Three years later, an independent Canadian commission found the Royal Canadian Mounted Police had given the U.S. inaccurate and inflammatory information about Arar. Canada paid Arar's family $11.5 million. The prime minister apologized and said the U.S. should also clear Arar's name.

STEPHEN HARPER, CANADIAN PRIME MINISTER: The government of Canada has ever right to go to bat for one of its citizens when the government believes a Canadian is being unfairly treated by another country.

CARROLL: Which brings us to today, more than five years since Arar's terrible ordeal began. The U.S. still has his name on the terror watch list. The Department of Justice says classified information shows he's a threat.

So Arar is suing the federal government, alleging the U.S. rendered him to Syria to be tortured.

ARAR: This terror -- the justice system is diminished, what is the difference, then, between the United States and the other countries?

CARROLL: "Keeping Them Honest," we wanted to know why Arar, who holds a Canadian passport, was sent to Syria. The Justice Department declined an interview and in a statement said it received assurances from Syria he would not be tortured and Arar was lawfully deported.

But during this congressional hearing two weeks ago, the secretary of state admitted mistakes were made.

CONDOLEEZZA RICE, SECRETARY OF STATE: I'm aware of the inquiry. And as I said, we do not think this case was handled as it should have been.

CARROLL: For Arar that's not enough. He wants compensation and an official apology.

(on camera) Do you think you're going to get what you're asking for here?

ARAR: Things take time. A year, two, five years, 10 years, but I am hoping that one day the American government will do the right thing.

CARROLL: Jason Carroll, CNN, Ottawa, Canada.


COOPER: We're going to stay on the story and let you know if Maner Arar gets an apology.

We're following several other stories tonight as well. Erica Hill from Headline News is here with a "360 Bulletin" -- Erica.


ERICA HILL, HEADLINE NEWS ANCHOR: Anderson, in Pakistan tonight opposition leader Benazir Bhutto under house arrest. Authorities are trying to prevent the former prime minister from staging a march tomorrow against emergency rule in Pakistan. She was briefly confined to her villa on Friday to halt a similar protest.

The 18-year-old in Finland who carried out a deadly school shooting spree last week and a 14-year-old in Pennsylvania suspected of plotting one have been in touch. That's according to an attorney for the Pennsylvania boy, who says the teens shared a fascination with the Columbine school attack and exchange e-mails after meeting online.

The Finish boy shot himself to death after killing eight others.

San Francisco Bay. House Speaker and California Congresswoman Nancy Pelosi questioning the Coast Guard's response to that massive oil spill. She wants to know why the public wasn't told sooner that more than 50,000 gallons of oil had leaked from a damaged ship after it hit the Bay Bridge in heavy fog last week.

And on Wall Street, the losing streak continues, the Dow falling 55 points to finish below 13,000 for the first time since August. And the NASDAQ lost 43, the S&P shed 14, Anderson. Kind of a rough start to the week.

COOPER: Definitely a rough start, Erica.

Time for the "Shot of the Day." Let's take you down under, if you will. Throw shrimp on the barbie and follow me where a wild kangaroo -- goodness. A wild kangaroo hopped through Melbourne, Australia. Look at it go.

A cop tried to capture the kangaroo with no luck. It happened off, slamming into a little boy. That's what happened there. I know it's kind of hard to see. The beast kept hopping along until it was finally caught and returned to the wild. We're told the little boy was not hurt, just very shook up, as you can understand. And as for the cop, his shirt got a big rip in it.

HILL: Yes, that was a large rip. Woo! A kangaroo wipe-out there. I didn't know that the kangaroo moved so fast or jumped. I mean, that was like a flying leap. I've never really seen a kangaroo in action until just now.

COOPER: Well, there you go. I know. We try to bring you, you know, new things all the time here on 360.

HILL: And you do. And I've got something new for you. But if you want to finish that thought.

COOPER: NO, just go ahead, if you want.

HILL: Another animal scene. Look at what happened at the Pittsburgh Zoo recently. Watch that spot. Wow. That's a very loud sound.

A wild deer jumped about 20 feet into the pool where the polar bears live. First it had to jump an eight-foot fence to get into the zoo, by the way. Took a couple of laps. The deer gets out. The bear is following it. That's when zookeepers step in and separate the animals.

COOPER: That's crazy.

HILL: Isn't that wild? The bears didn't attack the dear, amazingly. Unfortunately, though, the deer had to be put down.

COOPER: He had other injuries or something?

HILL: Well, he had some other injuries. It had been sort of ruing around. They're jumping over an eight-foot fence to get into the zoo and all. Yes. So sorry to hear about the deer.

COOPER: What do you -- how do you feel about our new sound effects there?

HILL: Honestly?


HILL: I'm not sure I can hear in this ear anymore.

COOPER: Because in my ear, it sounds so loud it's incredible. But I'm thinking maybe that -- maybe that was some sort of, you know, just in my ear.

HILL: I thought it was just me. But apparently not. Because when they I were testing it out during the break, I thought, "Wow, whoa." I thought, it's the screaming portion.

COOPER: It's the monkey at the end that does it, I think, for me.

HILL: Yes, that's the one that really get mess. Maybe we should call it a night.

COOPER: We've got to work on the audio levels maybe.

HILL: We'll see what we can do tomorrow, then.

COOPER: All right.

We want you to send us your "Shot" ideas. If you see some remarkable video, if you still have any hearing at all, tell us about it: CNN.com/360.


COOPER: And up next on the program, the gloves are off in the Democratic presidential race. Barack Obama taking swings, but will Hillary Clinton take a hit?


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UFO Conference Attracting the 'Conventional Man'

Reporter: Gary Tuchman, CNN

In the latest Democratic debate, presidential candidate Dennis Kucinich said he's seen one. So has Jimmy Carter. So did a pilot who traveled from Iran to Washington so he could speak out about his encounter with a UFO.

But for years, polling has shown that a majority of americans believe the government simply isn't telling all it knows about those lights in the sky, whatever they are.

If you flew on Air France from Nice to London on January 28, 1994, your captain says he saw a UFO 1,000 feet long just outside your window.

"It seemed to be a huge flying disc," explained Jean-Charles Duboc, Retired Air France Captain.

The now retired pilot is one of 14 men, mostly former government and military officials from 7 different countries, talking about their experiences with unidentified flying objects.

"The most incredible aspect of it is that it became transparent and disappeared in about ten to twenty seconds," says Duboc.

UFO believers often hold conferences, but this one was a little different. it took place in Washington, DC, and the cast of characters was almost strangely, well conventional. One of the believers: former Governor of Arizona Fife Symington.

"I saw something that defied logic and challenged my reality," describes Symington. "If you were here ten years ago, and looked at the lights and the view you would have been astounded. You would have been amazed."

The so called Phoenix lights were seen by many people throughout southern Arizona in 1997. Skeptics say they were military aircraft, or flares, but not the former governor.

"And I suspect that unless the defense department tells us otherwise, it was probably some form of alien spacecraft."

Lots of agreement on this panel, but a retired Iranian air force pilot says he saw a UFO while flying.

"It looked similar to a star, but bigger and brighter."

General Parviz Jafari, retired from the Iranian Air Force, says he fired on the UFO, but much of his plane became inoperative.

Jafari: "All the instruments were fluctuating. The radio had garble. I couldn't talk with the pilot.

Tuchman: "Do you think they were aliens?

"Oh yes. Yes. I'm sure."

A retired U.S. Air Force sergeant stationed in England said he walked up to a UFO that landed in a forest.

"It maneuvered through the trees and shot off at an unbelievable rate of speed, tell Sgt. James Penniston, retired rom the U.S. Air Force. "It was gone in the blink of an eye."

This month alone, a man running for president said he saw a UFO on MSNBC.

"I did and the rest of the account. It was an unidentified flying object," says Dennis Kucinich, Democratic presidential candidate.

And so did a man who was president -- Jimmy Carter.

"I and about 25 others saw something in the air that changed colors and was round.

Although Carter says he doesn't think it was possible that it was from another planet, most of the people at the conference differ on that point and want the FAA to investigate all of these claims, but the FAA says that's not its job.

"We manage the aircraft that we're talking to," says a FAA representative. "UFO's are called UFO's because they're unidentified, and we're not talking to them."

and it's precisely because no one's talking that everybody here is trying harder to make them believe.


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WASHINGTON (AFP) — UFOs may be fodder for comedians but there was no joking Monday when a group of former pilots recounted seeing strange phenomena in the sky and demanded the US government reopen an investigation into unidentified flying objects.

Several pilots offered dramatic accounts of witnessing UFOs -- including a transparent flying disc and a triangular craft with mysterious markings -- as they insisted their questions needed to be taken seriously more than 30 years after the US file was closed.

"We want the US government to stop perpetuating the myth that all UFOs can be explained away in down-to-earth, conventional terms," said Fife Symington, former governor of Arizona and air force pilot who says he saw a UFO in 1997.

"Instead our country needs to reopen its official investigation that it shut down in 1969," Symington told a news conference.

"We believe that for reasons of both national security and flight safety, every country should make an effort to identify any object in its airspace," said a statement from the 19 former pilots and government officials from around the world.

The subject of UFOs came up in a recent debate among US presidential candidates, with Democrat Dennis Kucinich saying he once saw a UFO -- making him the object of ridicule and jokes by late night television comedians.

Skeptics say UFO sightings are merely aircraft, satellites or meteors re-entering the Earth's atmosphere.

But the retired pilots spoke to a sympathetic audience of UFO "believers" who heard them recall their encounters with seemingly other-worldly objects appearing out of the sky.

"Nothing in my training prepared me for what we were witnessing," said James Penniston, a retired US Air Force pilot, as he described seeing and touching a UFO when he was stationed at a British air base in Woodbridge.

He said he saw an inexplicable triangular craft in a clearing in the woods with "blue and yellow lights swirling around the exterior."

The UFO was "warm to the touch and felt like metal," Penniston said. One side of the craft had pictorial symbols and "the largest symbol was a triangle, which was centered in the middle of the others," he said.

Then after 45 minutes the light from the object "began to intensify" and it then "shot off at an unbelievable speed" before 80 Air Force personnel, he said. "In my logbook, I wrote 'speed: impossible.'"

Rodrigo Bravo from Chile's air force said UFOs needed to be studied but lamented that the media often belittle the sightings.

"Sadly the UFO subject has been contaminated with false information, out of touch with reality, provided by unqualified people to the media," Bravo said.

"One of our most important civil aviation cases occurred in 1988, showing that unidentified flying objects can be a danger for air operations," he said.

"A Boeing 737 pilot on a final approach to the runway at the Puerto Montt airport suddenly encountered a large white light surrounded by green and red."

The pilot took a sharp turn to avoid a collision, according to Bravo.

The panel included a former Iranian fighter pilot, Parviz Jafari, who said in 1976 he tried in vain to fire from his jet at an "object which was flashing with intense red, green, orange and blue light" over Tehran.

But when he approached, "my weapons jammed and my radio communications garbled."

A former Air France captain, Jean-Charles Duboc, said in 1994 he and his crew saw "a huge flying disc" near Paris with a diameter of about 300 meters (1,000 feet) that left no sign on radar.

The disc "became transparent and disappeared in about 10 to 20 seconds," Duboc said.

The former pilot said like other major airlines Air France was mindful of its image and it was difficult to raise the subject of UFOs.

A former official with the Federal Aviation Administration, John Callahan, said government agencies discourage inquiries into UFOs.

"'Who believes in UFOs?' is the kind of attitude of the FAA all the time," he said.

"However, when I asked the CIA person: 'What do you think it was,' he responded 'a UFO.'"

When Callahan suggested the government tell Americans about a UFO, the CIA official allegedly told him: "'No way, if we were to tell the American public there are UFOs they would panic.'"

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The information concerning this event is spreading worldwilde : have a look at this editorial from a magazine published in the Gulf area :

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UFOs are not alien to everyone
Gulf News

Published: November 14, 2007, 23:27

The mysteries of our universe would have us believe that there's more to life than what we already know. The fact is, our knowledge is bound to be limited when it comes to unravelling the secrets of our infinite galaxies and we shouldn't always be able to define objects.

From that standpoint, it is fascinating to learn that a group of American pilots have demanded their government reopen an investigation into unidentified flying objects (UFOs) which was closed in 1969. They are convinced that not all UFOs can be explained away in "down-to-earth, conventional terms".

UFOs have fascinated many for some time. People are split on whether or not UFOs exist. Some believe them to be a celestial phenomenon while others, the majority that is, think they are simply fictitious. Investigations cost money and can be time-consuming. Perhaps the US government can investigate other more pertinent issues facing it.

Just a thought.


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The complete video of this conference can be seen here Arrow Open Minds

This video seems to be available on google.

And here Arrow Outoftheblue you'll also find several videos about this conference.

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